How to Find Your Ideal Marketing Role: A 4-Part Framework for Smarter Career Moves

A layoff, a sabbatical, a pivot into fractional work, and a return to B2B leadership taught Mandy Hornaday how to evaluate a role before she says yes. Here is the four-part framework she now runs on every opportunity that crosses her desk.

·January 14, 2025·37 min·
Mandy Hornaday
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The short answer

Career moves rarely go wrong at the offer stage. They go wrong earlier, when you skip the questions that tell you whether a role fits who you are right now. Mandy Hornaday built a four-part framework through her own transitions, and she uses it to weigh every opportunity: the employment type you want, the company stage that matches your work style, the industry that fits your experience, and the company's true vision and culture around marketing. Get those four right and you make an intentional move instead of a reactive one.

Key takeaways

    The hiring market has swung back toward growth. A recent ZipRecruiter report found 76% of companies plan to expand headcount, which widens your options after a couple of slow years. Your mindset shapes every yes. After her sabbatical Mandy took every opportunity from a scarcity mindset of 'I just need to make money,' and she now filters roles through an abundance mindset tied to her values and season of life. Fractional and full-time trade freedom for security. Fractional gave Mandy control of her calendar, Fridays off, and 25-hour weeks, at the cost of guaranteed income and benefits, and she capped her portfolio at three clients to avoid burnout. Company stage rewards different operators. Build is survival and product-market fit, scale is predictable growth and operational excellence, and sustain is large enterprise that moves carefully, so match the stage to your personality. Culture around marketing is visible before you accept. Watch how the C-suite talks about marketing, whether you report to the CEO or the CRO, and whether budget backs the words, because the average person spends about 33% of their life working.
    In this recap

    Career moves rarely go wrong at the offer stage. They go wrong earlier, when you skip the questions that tell you whether a role fits who you are right now. Mandy Hornaday built a four-part framework through her own transitions, a layoff, a sabbatical, a pivot into fractional CMO work, and a return to B2B marketing leadership, and she uses it to weigh every opportunity that crosses her desk.

    Why is now a good time to make a marketing career move?

    The hiring market has swung back toward growth, and that widens your options. A recent ZipRecruiter report found that 76% of companies plan to expand headcount, a meaningful shift after a couple of years defined by slowdowns and freezes. If you have been holding on in a role that no longer stretches you, the market is finally working in your favor. That backdrop matters most when you pair it with a clear read on where marketing leadership itself is heading, which Mandy unpacks in the future of marketing leadership.

    How does your mindset change the way you search?

    The difference between a scarcity mindset and an abundance mindset shows up in every role you say yes to. Coming off her sabbatical, Mandy came back with a mindset of 'I just need to make money,' and she interviewed for every role and took every client that came through the door whether it felt right or not. That season accelerated her learning about what she wanted and what she wanted to avoid, and it also taught her the cost of choosing from fear. Now she filters opportunities through her values and the season of life she is in, asking whether she is after high growth and challenge, stability, or something new. Reinvention at this level is possible, and the arc of building something of your own runs through Mandy's conversation with Leslie Vickrey on going from marketer to CEO.

    Should you go fractional or full-time?

    The right answer depends on your appetite for flexibility, risk, and context switching. Fractional work gave Mandy control of her calendar, her location, and her workload. She took Fridays off for months and worked 25-hour weeks when she wanted to, and that freedom was worth a lot to her. The other side is risk. Fractional means no guaranteed income, no benefits, and taxes and business development you handle yourself, though the hourly rates can push income higher to compensate. Work style is the third variable, because juggling multiple clients creates context switching and exhaustion, which is why Mandy caps her portfolio at three clients at a time. If you want lower risk and a single focus, full-time is the better fit.

    How do you match company stage to your work style?

    Build, scale, and sustain each reward a different kind of operator. The build stage is about survival and finding product-market fit, a high-risk and high-reward environment heavy on product marketing and market identification. The scale stage is Mandy's favorite, where the company knows it has a strong product and turns to growing predictably and sustainably, which suits someone who enjoys operational excellence and scaling what already works. The sustain stage is large enterprise focused on staying relevant and efficient, highly strategic but slower moving under layers of approvals and red tape. Match the stage to your personality, not just the paycheck.

    How much does industry fit matter in a marketing role?

    Industry shapes how much a company invests in marketing and how modern its playbook is. Mandy spent more than 10 years in B2B and B2C services before pivoting into B2B SaaS, which she found far more cutting-edge in its marketing approach. Before you commit to a new industry, research how much companies in that space typically invest in marketing, whether the style leans traditional or digital, and how well you understand the personas you will be selling to. When you already know the audience, the transition gets smoother and your ramp gets shorter.

    How do you read a company's real culture around marketing before you accept?

    Watch how the C-suite talks about marketing, who you report to, and whether budget backs the words. Pay attention to whether executives treat marketing as a growth driver or a tactical support function, and use the questions they ask in interviews as clues to their mindset. The reporting structure tells its own story. Reporting to the CEO usually means marketing is seen as critical to growth, while reporting to a CRO can signal a heavier demand generation focus. Then look at investment. If the ambition is not backed by budget and resources, treat it as a red flag. This is the same executive buy-in that Scott Todaro treats as non-negotiable before he accepts a role, a discipline he breaks down in the CMO playbook for marketing excellence.

    The average person spends about 33% of their life working, so a deliberate move compounds far beyond the next paycheck. The same operator mindset that makes you intentional about your next role is what you build inside the CMO Operating System, where marketing leaders architect the way they run the function on their own terms.

    Chapters & timestamps
    00:35 Why Now Is a Good Time to Make a Move 03:45 Shifting from Scarcity to Abundance Mindset 05:50 Consideration 1: Employment Type 13:52 Consideration 2: Company Stage 22:00 Consideration 3: Industry 25:40 Consideration 4: Company Vision & Culture

    Common questions

    How do you know it's time to leave your current marketing role?

    The signal is usually restlessness that outlasts a single bad quarter. When the work no longer stretches you, when you have stopped learning, or when the role no longer fits the season of life you are in, that is the moment to start evaluating options with intention rather than waiting for a layoff or a recruiter to force the decision. Leaving well means moving toward a role that fits who you are now, not away from one that has gone stale.

    What signals in an interview reveal whether leadership values marketing?

    Listen to the questions executives ask you and the language they use about the function. Leaders who see marketing as a growth engine ask about strategy, positioning, and how you think about the business. Leaders who see it as tactical support ask mostly about lead volume and campaign output. The reporting line is another tell. Reporting to the CEO signals marketing is central to growth, while reporting into a revenue leader often signals a heavier demand generation focus.

    Does taking a fractional role hurt your path to a full-time executive seat later?

    No, and it often sharpens it. Fractional work exposes you to multiple companies, stages, and problems in a short window, which builds pattern recognition that a single full-time seat cannot. The tradeoff is income variability and the business development you carry yourself. Many leaders use a fractional season to clarify what they want before committing to their next full-time role.

    How do you evaluate a role when the title does not match the actual scope?

    Clarify the composition of the job before you accept. Titles are frequently inflated or misleading, so ask what percentage of the role is hands-on execution versus building and managing a team, what you own end to end, and what sits outside your control. A director title with a full mandate can beat a VP title that is execution in disguise.

    What should a marketing leader clarify about budget before accepting an offer?

    Ask whether the company backs its marketing ambitions with real budget and headcount, and get specific about the current level of investment. Words about growth mean little without resourcing behind them. A leadership team that wants outsized results on a thin budget is a red flag worth surfacing before you sign, not after you start.

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    Mandy Hornaday: Welcome to Growth Activated! I'm Mandy Hornaday, your host. As we step into a new year, there's really no better time to reflect on where your career is headed and plan your next big move. This episode is dedicated to helping you figure out what's next in your professional journey, whether it's a new role, a new industry, or a complete career pivot.

    Mandy Hornaday: With so much optimism in the hiring landscape, it's an exciting time to evaluate your options. According to a recent ZipRecruiter report, 76% of companies are planning to expand their headcount this year. This is great news after a couple of years that were really marked by hiring slowdowns. If you've been sticking it out in a role that no longer excites you, now could be the perfect moment to make a change.

    Mandy Hornaday: On a personal note, 2024 was a transformative year for me. I experienced my first layoff, took my first career sabbatical, and explored new ways of working as a fractional CMO and consultant. I gained invaluable insights about myself and my career priorities, and today I want to share some of those learnings to help you navigate your own career decisions. Whether you're feeling stuck, burnt out, or ready to take on a fresh challenge, I hope you'll find value in this episode.

    Mandy Hornaday: One of the things I really challenge you to think about is your mindset around finding your next great move. When I was laid off and took my career sabbatical, I came back with a mindset of, I just need to make money. I interviewed for every role and took every client opportunity that came through my desk, whether it felt right or not.

    Mandy Hornaday: While this approach accelerated my learning, especially around what I wanted to do and what I wanted to avoid, I realized that having an abundance mindset versus a scarcity mindset really impacted my experience. We all need to pay our bills, I get that, but I'm now very focused on aligning my career with my values and the season of life I'm in. Are you in a season where you're looking for high growth and challenges? Or are you craving stability? Maybe you want something fun and new. Think about these things as we dive into the four key considerations I've pulled together today.

    Mandy Hornaday: The first key consideration is what type of employment you want: fractional or full-time. I've experienced both this year, and here are a few themes I've noticed. On flexibility, fractional roles offer more flexibility. You control your calendar, location, and workload. I loved this. I took Fridays off for months and worked 25-hour weeks when I wanted to. That freedom was invaluable to me.

    Mandy Hornaday: On risk, fractional work is higher risk. There's no guaranteed income, no benefits, and you need to handle taxes and business development. On the flip side, fractional work can offer higher income potential through hourly rates that compensate for those risks. If you prefer lower risk, a full-time role may be better for you. And on work style, fractional work often involves managing multiple clients, which can lead to context switching and exhaustion. I learned to keep my client portfolio to no more than three clients at a time to avoid burnout. Overall, think about your risk appetite, flexibility needs, and preferred work style when considering fractional versus full-time work.

    Mandy Hornaday: The second key consideration is the stage of the company you're looking to join. I've broken this down into three stages. The build stage focuses on survival and finding product-market fit. It's a high-risk, high-reward environment where you're doing a lot of product marketing and market identification. It's exciting but challenging.

    Mandy Hornaday: The scale stage is my favorite stage. The company knows it has a great product and is focused on growing predictably and sustainably. There's more strategy involved compared to the build stage. This stage suits someone who enjoys operational excellence and scaling what already works.

    Mandy Hornaday: The sustain stage is for large enterprise companies focused on staying relevant and efficient. The culture is highly strategic but can be slow-moving due to approvals and red tape. If you enjoy a sophisticated, methodical environment, this stage could be for you. Consider which stage aligns with your personality and career goals.

    Mandy Hornaday: The third key consideration is the industry you want to work in. I spent over 10 years in B2B and B2C services before pivoting to B2B SaaS, which is so much more cutting-edge in its marketing approach. When considering an industry, think about investment in marketing, so research how much companies in that industry typically invest. Think about marketing style, so is the industry more traditional or digital-focused? And think about target personas, so do you understand the personas you'll be selling to? If you already know the audience, it can really make transitions smoother.

    Mandy Hornaday: The fourth key consideration is the company's vision and culture around marketing. On executive buy-in, pay attention to how the C-suite views marketing. Are they engaged and supportive, or do they see it as a tactical support function? During interviews, observe the questions executives ask, because this will give you clues about their mindset.

    Mandy Hornaday: On reporting structure, who will you report to? The CEO? The CRO? This can indicate how marketing is prioritized within the company. Reporting directly to the CEO usually means marketing is seen as critical to growth, while reporting to a CRO can mean a heavier focus on demand generation.

    Mandy Hornaday: On marketing investment, what is the company's current level of investment in marketing? Do they back up their words with budget and resources? If not, that's a red flag. And on role expectations, is the role more execution-heavy or management-focused? Titles can be misleading, so clarify the composition of the role you're applying for.

    Mandy Hornaday: Those are the key considerations I've learned over the past few years as I've navigated career changes. If you're thinking about making a move, consider: What type of employment do you want? What stage of company fits your work style? What industry excites you? And what's the company's vision and culture around marketing?

    Mandy Hornaday: The future is looking bright. Don't settle for a job that bores or burns you out. Take a risk. Remember, the average person spends 33% of their life working, so be intentional and strategic about your career. Thank you for joining me today. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider subscribing or sharing it with friends. I'd greatly appreciate it. In the meantime, keep activating growth for yourself and your company. Talk soon!

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