The Empathy Blindspot: What B2B Leaders Get Wrong About Underperformers

Holding onto a struggling team member can feel like the kindest call. This solo episode is about the decade-old leadership lesson that reframed empathy for me, and the four types of team members that test it.

·July 15, 2025·11 min·
Mandy Hornaday
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The short answer

Keeping a struggling team member can look like the empathetic choice. Often it's empathy for one person at the expense of everyone else. In this solo episode, Mandy Hornaday shares the leadership lesson that reframed empathy for her over a decade ago, the four types of team members that hold a marketing org back, and the reflection questions that make a hard call fair to the whole team.

Key takeaways

    Empathy for one person can be unfair to the whole team. The Dave Ramsey lesson Mandy has carried for over a decade: when we hold onto an underperformer, the rest of the team picks up the slack, overperforms, and over-delivers to keep the team whole. Toxic high performers get by on their numbers. Mandy has watched a company turn a blind eye to a notably toxic seller because the results were strong, and her learning is blunt: "people like that aren't really going to change." There's only so much training you can do. The lovable low performer who needs three trainings where everyone else needs one puts a 10x mentoring load on the high performers doing the coaching. Inconsistent effort is a team-culture problem. Mandy is a huge proponent of work-life balance, and when someone's showing up directly tracks to underdelivery, the rest of the team gets very frustrated. Adaptability is what made her best people great. Growing a company from $50 million to $750 million meant evolving the team every year, and the people who lasted eight, nine, ten years were the ones who could flex and grow with it.
    In this recap

    Empathy is one of the most praised traits in marketing leadership. It can also be the thing holding a team back. In this kickoff to a summer mini-series of bite-sized leadership episodes, Mandy Hornaday revisits a leadership lesson she has carried for more than a decade, one that reframed what being empathetic to a team means, and walks through the four types of team members that put it to the test.

    What is the empathy blindspot in marketing leadership?

    The empathy blindspot is pouring so much empathy into one struggling team member that we stop being empathetic to everyone else who picks up the slack.

    Mandy traces the lesson to a specific moment: walking through Boston more than ten years ago, listening to Dave Ramsey's EntreLeadership. Ramsey's challenge to leaders, as she retells it, was to flip the lens. When we hold onto an underperformer, coaching and training and extending performance plans long after our gut has called it, someone else on the team is carrying the extra weight. In her words:

    Are we being empathetic to the rest of the team by having an underperformer on the team? How is the rest of the team feeling by likely having to pick up the slack or overperform or over deliver in order to make sure that the team stays whole and that it hits its goals?

    That reframe has stayed with her through more than a decade of leading marketing orgs. Prepping this episode, she counted four scenarios where empathy for one person came at the team's expense. Four types, and four real people behind them.

    What should a leader do about a toxic high performer?

    Name the behavior early and accept that the results a toxic high performer produces rarely offset the trust they erode.

    The Toxic High Performer often gets by on the numbers. Mandy has watched a sales organization turn a blind eye to a notably toxic seller because the results were strong, and she has managed her own share of drama and gossip. The first few times, she tried to work through it and let the person know others were uncomfortable. Her learning after those rounds was blunt: "people like that aren't really going to change." They're probably gossipers in their personal lives too, and no manager changes that. What she does now is acknowledge upfront that the person is unlikely to be a healthy fit for the culture she's trying to build.

    When is it time to stop coaching a likable underperformer?

    When someone needs three trainings where the rest of the team needs one, and it still isn't landing, the role is probably wrong for the person, and more coaching rarely changes that.

    Mandy calls this one The Lovable Low Performer. These are often the warmest, most charismatic people in the company, and everyone enjoys being around them. They also struggle to keep up with what the team is rolling out. There's only so much training you can do, and the invisible cost lands on the high performers doing the mentoring, who end up putting in 10x the coaching effort they'd spend on anyone else. In Mandy's experience, these team members were great culture fits and still weren't the right fit for the role. But good intentions don't build pipeline.

    None of this makes coaching optional. Mandy has built much of her work around how great marketing leaders enable their teams. The tell is whether the enablement is landing, or whether the same training keeps getting repeated with the same result.

    How should leaders handle a team member who isn't pulling their weight?

    Work-life balance and accountability can live together, but when one person's showing up means everyone else covers for them, resentment builds fast.

    Mandy describes a pattern many of us will recognize: showing up late, leaving early, somehow always on PTO during peak season or a major campaign launch, sometimes posting on Instagram in the middle of the workday. She's quick with the caveat that she is a huge proponent of work-life balance and of just getting your work done. The frustration starts when someone's contribution falls short and the way they're showing up tracks directly to it. Her approach is to work on it with the person first. If it won't change, moving on is usually kinder to the team than another season of covering, because that work style probably doesn't match what the team expects of each other.

    What happens when a longtime top performer can't adapt to change?

    A high performer in the old model is not automatically a high performer in the new one, and holding on out of loyalty costs the team its momentum.

    Mandy calls this the hardest one to discern and the hardest to act on. Her career includes scaling a B2B services company to $750 million over ten years, which meant transitioning and elevating the team nearly every year. Through those transformations, some people who were high contributors in one model could not get on board with where the team was going next.

    Some of the best people that I've worked with for eight years, nine years, 10 years, part of what made them so great was their ability to adapt and their ability to remain agile and flex and change and grow as we grew as an organization.

    Loyalty matters. But so does forward momentum. And sometimes the honest answer to a fit problem is rethinking how your marketing team is structured rather than swapping one hire for the next.

    How do you know if you're being empathetic to your whole team?

    Start with one question: does everyone on the team deserve the seat they have?

    Mandy closes the episode with three reflection questions she encourages every leader to sit with:

    Does everyone on your team deserve the seat that they have? If you were being empathetic to your entire team, would you make the same decisions? Who comes to mind when you think about someone who might be holding the team back?

    From there, three moves worth making this week. Take an honest audit of the team, one seat at a time. Talk to the high performers, because they usually know exactly who is covering for whom. And define the culture non-negotiables, the standards no set of results can buy someone out of. Those standards belong in the operating system a marketing leader builds once, so each hard call after that starts from clarity instead of a fresh round of guilt.

    These are hard conversations, and Mandy is quick to say she built a business around coaching and mentoring people. The lesson is about widening the lens to the whole team. So the question worth sitting with this week is a simple one. Who comes to mind?

    Chapters & timestamps
    00:00 Welcome and why a summer mini-series of bite-sized episodes 01:43 The EntreLeadership lesson that reframed empathy 03:33 Toxic high performers and the lovable one who doesn't get it 06:18 Work ethic, accountability, and picking up the slack 07:45 Leading through transformation, and the reflection questions

    Common questions

    How do senior marketing leaders balance empathy with accountability?

    Empathy and accountability aren't in tension when the empathy includes the whole team. Coaching, feedback, and second chances stay on the table, and the question that keeps them honest is whether the rest of the team is paying for the patience. When the people carrying the extra load are the ones being treated unfairly, accountability becomes the empathetic move.

    How long should you keep coaching an underperformer before making a change?

    There's no fixed clock, but the signal is willingness and trajectory. If someone is improving with support, keep investing. If we in our hearts already know it won't work out, as Mandy puts it, extending the timeline usually serves the leader's guilt more than the person or the team.

    What are the signs it's time to let an underperformer go?

    Recurring patterns are the tell: the same feedback given multiple times without change, high performers absorbing the extra load, behavior that continues after a direct conversation, or a role that has outgrown the person even after real training. Any one of those, sustained, means the tough conversation is overdue.

    Should culture fit outweigh performance on a marketing team?

    Neither one alone earns the seat. A toxic high performer costs the team trust, and a beloved low performer costs the team capacity, so strong teams hold the bar on both. Culture fit makes the decision harder, and it doesn't change the math on what the rest of the team absorbs.

    How do you protect your high performers while managing an underperformer?

    Ask them directly how the team dynamic feels, because they usually know exactly who is covering for whom. Then cap the invisible tax: the mentoring, re-training, and re-explaining that lands on the strongest people. Protecting their energy is one of the highest-return moves a marketing leader can make.

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    Mandy Hornaday: Hey everyone. Welcome to Growth Activated. I'm Mandy Hornaday, your host. And today we're going to be starting off with a new mini series that I'm excited about. So if you're anything like me, it's summertime right now and you just want to be outside. You want to be with your family. You want to be having fun. And I am right there with you.

    Mandy Hornaday: So what I thought we could try are some weekly bite-sized episodes that are about 10 to 15 minutes max, and that really cover some of the best leadership tips and lessons that I've experienced over the last 15 years of being a marketing leader. And so we'll combine leadership, we'll combine marketing tactics and strategies. It'll be a little bit of everything. And I'm excited to bring that to you guys here and I hope you enjoy it. And certainly would love your feedback as you're listening to this, if it's helpful. So let's go ahead and jump right in.

    Mandy Hornaday: So today's leadership lesson is something that has been ingrained in my mind for at least the last 10 years. Have you ever been listening to a podcast or reading a book or seen a quote and it's just really stuck with you over the years? Well, today's leadership lesson is exactly like that for me. And I remember exactly where I was, walking down the streets in Boston 10 plus years ago, listening to this book EntreLeadership by Dave Ramsey, which by the way, I would recommend. It's not just for entrepreneurs, but it's for entrepreneurial leaders, which really resonated with me early on in my career.

    Mandy Hornaday: And the leadership lesson that Dave Ramsey talked about was this idea of whether or not you're being empathetic to your entire team when you're trying to be empathetic to one particular team member. And so the context that he shared was this idea about how oftentimes as leaders, when we have someone who's underperforming on the team, we want to be as empathetic as possible and hold onto that person and help them and coach them and train them and put them on those performance plans. And oftentimes we hang on to people far too long that we truly in our hearts know just won't work out.

    Mandy Hornaday: And so what he challenged us to think about as leaders was the flip side of that empathy and consider it through the lens of the rest of your team. Are we being empathetic to the rest of the team by having an underperformer on the team? How is the rest of the team feeling by likely having to pick up the slack or overperform or over deliver in order to make sure that the team stays whole and that it hits its goals?

    Mandy Hornaday: And while this stuck with me at the time when I heard it and felt like it made a lot of sense, it has been such a helpful tip for me to refer back to over and over again throughout my career. And so as I was prepping for today's episode, I was reflecting back in terms of what were the types of situations where I was not necessarily being fair and empathetic to the rest of the team because of the underperformer on my current team that I was really trying to help. And so I've come up with four different scenarios. Frankly, there's four different people that come to mind, but really these scenarios, I've had many, many team members over the years fall into a few of these.

    Mandy Hornaday: And so the first one that came to mind for me is the team member who's toxic. Okay. Well, oftentimes I find that a lot of times these toxic team members are also high performers and that's a lot of times how they get by with it. Right. And so when I think about a toxic culture fit, I think about people who are creating drama or gossiping or talking behind others' backs, or honestly, in even more extreme situations, people who are mistreating others or have even had sexual harassment claims. While I've never had that on my team necessarily, I've worked with people in environments on the sales team where it was pretty notable that this person was pretty toxic, but because they were such a high performer, the company turned a blind eye. Right. And that's really not fair and empathetic to the rest of the team.

    Mandy Hornaday: Now I've experienced this the most when it comes to drama and gossiping. And frankly, for the first few times with that, when I had people on the team like this, I tried to work through it. I tried to let them know that others were uncomfortable by it. But at the end of the day, something that I've learned is that people like that aren't really going to change. They're probably also gossipers in their personal life and I can't change that. And so the learning for me has been to just acknowledge upfront that that person is likely not going to be a healthy fit for the team and the culture I'm trying to build.

    Mandy Hornaday: The second person on the team, or type of person on the team, that is not really fair and empathetic to everybody else to keep is the one who just doesn't get it. And so I think back, and a lot of times for me, at least, the people who don't get it are often so lovely and so charismatic and everybody on the team or the company really enjoys being around this person. But along those lines, they might struggle to really keep up with what we're rolling out or need three trainings on something instead of the one that everybody else needs.

    Mandy Hornaday: And so again, I think there's times for me where I've just realized that the role that we're looking to fill is just not the right fit for the person that was in that role when they don't get it like that. Unfortunately, there's only so much training you can do. And again, if we're being fair and empathetic to the rest of the team, it's not necessarily fair on the rest of the team who's likely in charge of mentoring and training and coaching to have to do 10x the amount of work that they would have to do with other team members. So in my experience, while those people have been great culture fits for the team, they weren't the best high performers on the team and therefore just weren't the best fit.

    Mandy Hornaday: The third type of person I've encountered on the team that has proven not to be a fair and empathetic way to treat the rest of the team is the one who doesn't work very hard. Have you ever worked with someone who shows up late, they leave early, they constantly seem to be on PTO during the peak seasons or when there's really large campaigns being rolled out? Sometimes they're on Instagram in the middle of the day posting about all of the lovely things they're doing. I've seen this to varying levels of extremes.

    Mandy Hornaday: And let me be clear, I am a huge proponent of work-life balance and just getting your work done. But when someone isn't performing or delivering or contributing equally on the rest of the team and the way they're showing up is directly correlated to that, the rest of your team is going to get very frustrated. I've encountered that as well a few different times. And certainly again, you want to be able to work on it with a person, but if it's not going to change, then what I have found is it's just best to move on, because their work style is probably not the same as the work style that is expected on the team.

    Mandy Hornaday: And the fourth type of person and scenario that I've run up against this with, which is a little bit harder to discern for me and a little bit harder for me to part ways with these types of people, but it's really the people who can't get on board after a major transition and change. I throughout my career have done a lot of different marketing transformations over the years. I mean, that's naturally going to happen when you work for a company that grows from 50 million to 750 million in the course of 10 years, right? Every year, it seemed like I had to transition and elevate and evolve the team.

    Mandy Hornaday: And what I noticed was even if someone was a high performer or high contributor in one model, once we transformed the team and had to continue the evolution of where we were going, the people that could not get on board or jump on the train with where we were going, oftentimes it wasn't going to work out even if they were a high performer in their past days. Some of the best people that I've worked with for eight years, nine years, 10 years, part of what made them so great was their ability to adapt and their ability to remain agile and flex and change and grow as we grew as an organization. And so I've recognized it's really hard to keep old mindsets and the friction to change when the rest of the team is really trying to evolve and grow. And so I've had to make some really tough decisions there.

    Mandy Hornaday: So while those are just four of the examples and scenarios that I've run into, to be fair and empathetic to the rest of the team, I would encourage each and every one of you to think about the team members that are surrounding you, whether they're your peers or whether they're your direct reports or frankly, whether they're your superiors. And think about which scenarios and which individuals might the organization or you as a leader be trying to be empathetic to and yet disregarding the empathy that the rest of the team deserves and requires.

    Mandy Hornaday: So a few personal reflection questions I would just encourage you to ask yourself. Does everyone on your team deserve the seat that they have? If you were being empathetic to your entire team, would you make the same decisions? Who comes to mind when you think about someone who might be holding the team back?

    Mandy Hornaday: So while these are hard conversations to have, and I'm certainly a proponent of helping and coaching and mentoring people, I mean, creating a business around it, right? I am all about mentoring and coaching and leadership. But this was a really important lesson and light bulb moment for me to think about things through a different light and to reverse the perspective that we have and think about it from the perspective of the entire team.

    Mandy Hornaday: All right, everyone. Well, I promised you short and quick. I hope that this was helpful and I hope there's a takeaway in here that lets you be a better leader and a stronger leader. And I'll let you get back to enjoying your summer. See you next time.

    Mandy Hornaday: Thanks so much for tuning into this episode of Growth Activated. I hope this conversation sparked new ideas, challenged your thinking and gave you practical tools to help elevate your impact as a marketing leader. If it did, I would love for you to pass it along to a friend or a colleague in B2B marketing. The more we grow together, the more we raise the bar for what marketing leadership can look like. And as always, in the meantime, keep activating growth for yourself and your company. See you next time.

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